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Simi Kusoni
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Posted - 2012.06.19 03:38:00 -
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Ice Poljus wrote:Heard something about ring mining and such any idea when this is coming? same with tesselation tbh but i figure thats years away. Heard its going to be that nerf for tech moons so the bottleneck is killed. And when the south gets tech what do you think this will hold for null sec then?
IIRC soundwave said they might have to put off ring mining in order to fix POS management.
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Posted - 2012.06.19 05:43:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Ice Poljus wrote:Heard something about ring mining and such any idea when this is coming? same with tesselation tbh but i figure thats years away. Heard its going to be that nerf for tech moons so the bottleneck is killed. And when the south gets tech what do you think this will hold for null sec then? IIRC soundwave said they might have to put off ring mining in order to fix POS management. Wait what... We're gonna have to keep on abusing the tech? This wasn't enough?
Oh god, don't say that.
I give it 30 minutes before we're all balls deep in "goons are pushing back ring mining" tinfoil hattery threads.
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Posted - 2012.06.19 16:21:00 -
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Ice Poljus wrote:also the stranglehold cfc has on tech will dissipate when they nerf tech so then that means t2 production will be cheaper and soco will probably crush cfc ive flown with the north and the south in my time and soco are stronger tacticaly wise cdc just had numbers and isk to make ships
T2 production won't become cheaper, the price will be offloaded onto all the other materials required.
Especially if ring mining requires active mining. If a whole bunch of mining fleets suddenly swap out to do ring mining, supply of high ends will drop dramatically.
Since ring mining is supposedly part of a full on industry revamp it would be reasonable to assume CCP will be rebalancing multiple aspects of the mining experience.
Ice Poljus wrote:tesselation and ring mining are 2 completely diff things tesselation is an entire rework of all the graphics where as ring mining is just implementing a small addon ccp could do it in a month or 2 tesselation will be next year or something
Ring mining is a major rework of core game mechanics, it is not something CCP can bash out in a month.
Also, IIRC from fanfest tessellation is going to have a reasonably large team dedicated to it.
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Posted - 2012.06.19 18:15:00 -
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dontbanmebro wrote:I thought that was pretty funny.
I didn't know that It is tech that drives the CFC's dominance, and not the tight-knit relationships and organizational capacity of a medium-sized business...
Good thing I have Eve-o GD to free me from my delusions.
I've worked for medium-sized businesses that were considerably less organised than your average Eve Online null sec alliance.
Depressing really, when you realise that that isn't a joke.
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Posted - 2012.06.19 22:04:00 -
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Equimanthorn wrote:CCP will just pooch this. They will try and tie it to planetary control in a desperate attempt to save Dust 514 from it's dwindling player base 2 years from now when Ring mining release. They want to use the same team that is doing the POS revamp as opposed to concurrent development. CCP Soundwave wrote:Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs. CCP needs to release POS, Ring Mining and destructible outposts all at the same time
You forgot to include removing local and curing cancer.
Because, you know, promising more than they can deliver and then rushing everything into a tight deadline has worked out so well for CCP in the past. Let them take their time, get it right, and introduce single overhauls at a time.
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Posted - 2012.06.19 22:57:00 -
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Maybe, but with incremental alterations it's easier to roll back mistakes, identify which variables are causing unintended consequences and model solutions or tweaks that will actually work.
If you take a complex system, and make changes to a laundry list of interrelated mechanics in one fell swoop, then when something goes wrong it becomes exponentially harder to identify and correct those issues. As they're dependent on other variables that haven't reached equilibrium yet.
Generally for these reasons, especially in a system that you want to continue running (relatively) smoothly, incremental updates are always safer.
Basically mess with all that at stuff once, market gonna go craaaaaazy.
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Posted - 2012.06.19 23:24:00 -
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Ice Poljus wrote:wont be offloaded because when they nerf it then the price of tech comes down but nothing happens to the other mats so it doesnt effect them i just want mining to be touched up a bit lol boring tbh even though im null sec
And why does the price of tech come down? Because miners are mining tech?
So what aren't those miners mining?
Anyway, even that is pointless speculation based on the simplest possible implementation of ring mining. Since ring mining seems like it is going to come with a hefty overhaul of the entire system it's nearly impossible to predict the outcome. For all we know they might even change material requirements or yields.
One thing we do know though: CCP will not allow T2 ships to become dirt cheap. Balance and what not. Something will have to go up if tech goes down.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 00:43:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:
T2 production won't become cheaper, the price will be offloaded onto all the other materials required.
Especially if ring mining requires active mining. If a whole bunch of mining fleets suddenly swap out to do ring mining, supply of high ends will drop dramatically.
Since ring mining is supposedly part of a full on industry revamp it would be reasonable to assume CCP will be rebalancing multiple aspects of the mining experience.
Ring mining is a major rework of core game mechanics, it is not something CCP can bash out in a month.
Also, IIRC from fanfest tessellation is going to have a reasonably large team dedicated to it.
Dude, stop talking about thing about which you know nothing. How to implement ring mining: 1. Make rock objects with moongoo as extractable stuffz. 2. Put rocks in site(ring). 3. Miners go to ring and suck goo out of new rocks using existing assets. 4. Refine. 5. Profit And on a side note regarding tesselation, until ships exploding looks like metal ripping, not rocks breaking, it isn't ready.
So some miners stop mining null sec ores whenever they find a ring mining site or w/e.
Yeah, that won't decrease supply at all.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 01:07:00 -
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Ice Poljus wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:So some miners stop mining null sec ores whenever they find a ring mining site or w/e.
Yeah, that won't decrease supply at all. ring mining = every planet with a ring
Link to source?
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Posted - 2012.06.20 01:24:00 -
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Ice Poljus wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Ice Poljus wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:So some miners stop mining null sec ores whenever they find a ring mining site or w/e.
Yeah, that won't decrease supply at all. ring mining = every planet with a ring Link to source? youtube and fanfest... go
You mean the keynote address where they talk about "trawlers hunting through the belt to find the good stuff"? And then mention it in the context of the current probing system, suggesting a mini-game style hunt for deposits?
Sounds a lot like hunting for sites in planet rings to me 
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Posted - 2012.06.20 01:59:00 -
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Ice Poljus wrote:doubt it it just means u might need 1 or more guys to hunt for the asteroids in the belt to pull them out so ure ship doesnt get ****** by the asteroids (might imply tesselation in with it to) n it wud looks too stupid if some planets had ring mining but some were just textures so its safe to even assume its gonna be every planet
Well I presume they'd "all" have ring mining, but they wouldn't all always have sites. Think of it as grav sites around a planet that spout moon minerals. Sometimes you might find moon mats, sometimes nothing, sometimes standard ores.
That is a massive assumption though, the truth is we simply don't know. Either way it doesn't really effect that fact that miners being diverted from normal mining activities to perform ring mining would decrease supply of other high ends*.
(*Which is also massive speculation, since we have absolutely no idea how ring mining is going to be implemented.)
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Posted - 2012.06.21 04:56:00 -
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Quote:pussnheels] Bumblefck wrote:pussnheels wrote:
Industry can just be as hardcore pvp as blowing up ships from finding the best asteroids for your corp.
Don't be silly, please. Guess you never had to deal with those 0,01 warriors did yoy or only have basic idea how economy works or should i quote von Clauzewits War is a extension of diplomacy when everything else fails Umm so basicly blowing up ships is silly Never mind
If people didn't blow up ships, industry would die. And high sec industry and mining, the kind that doesn't require even an ounce of combat, is about as "hardcore" as a knitting circle's bake sale.
Also, the quote in your signature was wrongly attributed to Voltaire. It was from a female author writing a book about Voltaire.
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